People are seeking information.

For a multitude of reasons.

And thanks to The Power of this medium, it
is available for FREE in almost all situations. One must be diligent, as we were in the past, and seek the Information, spend Time & Energy instead of Massive Capital.

Now I understand that you can BUY your way into Success, there are example of that all over the net…

But thanks to people like yourself and others the “average Joe and Jane” can learn HOW TO BUILD successful businesses through this Medium.

The new name “Social Networking” is what we have been practicing for 50 years

I still favor Off-line Businesses, much more lucrative currently, and the ability to Rifle Focus the prospects is easier. Not a lot of wannabes.

My off-line consulting grows from Realistic Clients who know what they have to do to get on top and stay there.

I really appreciate your Candor and talent.
Hope to meet up some day

thanks for warning. i wan to buy it before, but not anymore.

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You have written precisely what I thought. I unsubscribed from 3-4 lists as a direct result of big-launch whoring – Mike Filsaime was one of these lists.

I watched John Reese’s videos about TS2 and it looks a good product, although not something I want right now. The hyperbole and bullsh^t that it was wrapped in by “the 12 whores” just took the biscuit & I decided to tune them out.

I think such a big part of social networking is trust, and they blew it.

Thanks for an enlightened post.

Lee

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I often advise new online businesses NOT to launch an affiliate program when they are just starting out – for five reasons:
http://www.affiliate-software-review.com/asrblog/5-reasons-not-to-launch-___-with-an-affiliate-program2

But now that I read my original blog post I realize that I’ve assumed that IM launches are different. Yes they’re different … they’re different in the sense that they’re getting out of hand.

I think I’ll rewrite my post to say that even in the IM world you shouldn’t launch with masses of affiliates, for the same reasons you wouldn’t start an affiliate program when launching in any other niche.

Give good value, get happy customers referring you more, figure out how to optimize your conversion, then start buying traffic … and maybe then think about starting an aff. program.

It’ll be best if we can buy the main product again from another affiliate whose bonuses potentially live up to their claims.

That way we won’t be locked into some worthless stupiac bonuses.

If you are a good marketer then you CAN sell period! That is the bottom line. You can’t let one man’s opinion of what you’re doing or not doing stop you. There are always going to be haters and naysayers but to say that Rick hurt John’s sales is a weak a– cop out in my humble opinion. I mean some will, some won’t, so what next!!

When someone says to me that I can’t do this or can’t do that it just makes me more determined to prove them wrong. John’s first TS was good enough that it’s credibility alone is closing sales for John. I know I REALLY liked it and like John. As a matter of fact I am one of these guys who was waiting for all the bonuses to come out before I decided to buy. Rick’s post is certainly not going to stop me. No offense Rick.

A very good friend of mines once said “You’re not a real marketer if you can’t stand on your own two feet. If all you can do is ask others to mail to their lists for you then that isn’t marketing because anyone can do that.” Now we all KNOW John Reese does not NEED people to mail for him. He CAN obviously stand on his OWN two feet but there are alot of folks out there who can’t. So what they NEED to do is LEARN HOW TO MARKET BETTER. If Affiliate Marketers out there are going to allow what Rick says and think “victimize” them then they need to get out of the game. You have to be able to bring it or just don’t get involved. I can’t concern myself with what others say. I just hone my skills more and use what others say as fuel to succeed.

John Reese is considered a legend by alot of folks in this industry and his reputation and credibility alone probably sold the copies of TS 2.0 that DID sell. Yeah some Affiliate marketers threw in their bonuses to make more sales for John and themselves but it’s not like John would’ve starved if they hadn’t. I am sure John is doing quite well with this launch.

You have to build a relationship with your list. You have to have built an affinity with your list and that is what makes or breaks the deal. Not one man’s opinion which Rick IS entitled to just like you are Deb but I think you misread Rick’s post and intention in the post.

There are too many folks out there who DO pimp out their lists for a commission without really giving a damn about people’s success. WHERE is the follow up? Where is their intent to make sure the customers that buy through their links understand the material THEY are endorsing. Those that just come out to make a quick buck are the folks you should be attacking Deb. I mean isn’t this still America that we live in? Don’t we have freedom of speech here? Last I checked we did.

I don’t know ONE IM’er or Affiliate Marketer that AFTER he or she endorses a product as an affiliate and makes that nice affiliate commission takes it upon THEMSELVES to put on a free teleseminar or webinar making sure that folks consume the material and understand it. I’ve never known or heard that happen. There is no “after you buy through my link” support or follow up. They just leave buyers on their own. I am referring to the affiliates and not the owner of the product. John has offered to do alot for the buyers on this TS 2.0 but I am referring to affiliates in general. They just figure it is the author or owner of the original product’s responsibility but it would be nice once in a while to see affiliates follow up and make sure their subscribers/buyers are getting all they can out of the product. I may be wrong and if I am I apologize but have never heard of such a thing. Affiliates move on after promoting a product. I mean they deliver their bonuses and then you are on your own.

I don’t know you Deb and you don’t know me but I know Rick well enough to say that I seriously do not think his intent was to kill John’s sales. I think he was just pointing out some things that were maybe bothering him and a lot of folks will admit that they DO get tired of receiving tons of emails on the same product launch. I think it is healthy to opt out of IM’ers lists who are not contributing value to their subscribers. If the ONLY time you hear from a marketer is when there is a big launch then unsubscribe I say. I know alot of marketers who DON’T take the time to give a sh– about their subscribers. All they care about is their commissions. They do not educate, help or freely give to their lists. They use the word sheeple in private conversations but would never say it to peoples faces. Who is stepping up for the buyers of the products? Where is their voice when they buy products BECAUSE an affiliate is pushing pushing pushing it down their throats and they never can implement it. It just collects dust on their hard drives. Who feels bad for them?

Are all affiliate marketers “bad” or “selfish” of course not! I am just saying to look around and see how many of them really do follow up to insure the success of their buyers?

Either way I believe we are all entitled to our opinions and if a person does not like the programming then they can just change the channel. It is as simple as that as I see it.

Thanks for reading.

p.s.
For all I know maybe I misunderstood everyone who’s posted comments on this post including you Deb but does that make me a bad guy? Nah just misunderstood like Rick I guess.

God bless you and yours

p.s.s
It is not my intention to disrespect Deb, John, Rick or anyone else for that matter so I hope this comment does not get misread and start another fire.

Your post is very well written – just like your show at http://HelpMyBusiness.com

You manage to get said in a few words what is really clear and true about how both sides of the story are true.

While you CAN unsubscribe – we WANT great content and to be treated with respect.

That is why I wrote I am Joe’s Emai List.

Thanks for your support Andrew,

Rick

It’s not about tearing down because options and solutions have already been presented by many of the commenters.

This thread is also not about John Reese, and it’s certainly not an attack on him. His product undoubtedly has value to many, that’s not in dispute.

John is merely the latest in a long line of marketers to use a promotional method that a lot of people (both customers and marketers) are concerned about.

The crux of the matter as I see it, is best presented as a question:

Should internet marketing related products be launched with hype, by affiliates and JV partners who use unscrupulous tactics, bombarding their lists, and competing against other promoters by adding ‘bribes’, OFTEN without having even seen the actual product they’re promoting?

Of course, customers DO have a choice, they CAN unsubscribe from a list, BUT customers can also be manipulated. After all, we are in a world of expert marketers who can make plenty of people believe that their product is the magic pill that’ll solve all their problems and make them lots of money.

It’s been my observation that a LOT of customers are starting to rebel. They’re starting to realize that they’ve spent lots of money without any results. They’re starting to realize that there really are few genuine ‘secrets’. They’re starting to realize that they need to find a mentor who provides help and value CONSISTENTLY, not just right before a launch with the sole purpose of whipping people up into a frenzy of excitement, only for them to be abandoned later, until the next launch…

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